COMPARE Columbia University MFE vs Carnegie Mellon University MSCF

[Andy Nguyen]

3) I found a general lack of transparency from Columbia that compares very unfavorably against Berkeley and CMU. For instance they don't publish the median salary, they don't give a "class profile" or show a complete list of students. They also don't give many details about the outcome of their students, just a list of "recruiting firms" and "positions". Check CMU's or UCB's webpage to see how this should be reported.

You may be onto something here. CMU and UCB quant programs are offered by their respective business schools and they do follow some standard protocol on stats reporting. Columbia doesn't publish any stats because they aren't required.
There are many programs that do not publish their admission and employment stats for various reasons. And I don't see that changing soon unless applicants demand so.
As evident here, people still pay to go to such programs even without knowing how many of their graduates will even get a job.

 

[QZY]

@Charles Hammer haha, just let the haters hate. I feel so happy to talk with you. Great help! I wish you the best of luck at the college you have will to attend!

 

[abcdefgrqq]

hi did you get an interview? Can you share your timeline? I'm also a round 2 applicant but have not heard anything from them so far...

 

[QZY]

hi did you get an interview? Can you share your timeline? I'm also a round 2 applicant but have not heard anything from them so far...

Actually I was placed in the waiting list of the first round on the decision making date(3/20). Then I was asked to schedule an interview, and I chose 3/31. I received the offer on 4/15 marked as second round, but I actually I applied for the first round. I have to pay the deposit by 5/5, therefore I assume that the admission process will last till that date.

 

[abcdefgrqq]

Actually I was placed in the waiting list of the first round on the decision making date(3/20). Then I was asked to schedule an interview, and I chose 3/31. I received the offer on 4/15 marked as second round, but I actually I applied for the first round. I have to pay the deposit by 5/5, therefore I assume that the admission process will last till that date.

Thanks for the info! Have you decide where to go ?

 

[QZY]

Thanks for the info! Have you decide where to go ?

I will go to cmu

 

[abcdefgrqq]

I will go to cmu

great and congratulation!

 

[zzwang]

CMU vs Columbia til the end of time.

Hi guys,

I am sure many people are or will be facing this decision in the coming week.

I'm a undergrad student in the States and I'm struggling between these two programs. I am already offered admission at CMU and Columbia. Columbia only gives me 6 days to respond, so I have to make a decision before March 27th. I will try to ask for an extension but I find it unlikely that they will grant me one.

I am leaning towards CMU at the moment. I was admitted to MSCF two weeks ago, so I spent some time talking to current students, and they were all very enthusiastic and spoke highly of the program, in terms of placement and reputation. I had personal relationship with them when they were in undergrad, so I really believes in what they said.

With Columbia there is just too much information missing. I really have not seen many people giving comments on this program. If you are able to provide a review on the MFE program, please comment below as many applicants this year, myself included, would really love to hear how you would compare these two programs! Frankly I don't even have time to get to know the program at Columbia, because I only have 6 days!!

FYI, MSCF NY. Any comments will be much appreciated. Thanks!

 

[somya harjai]

I would prefer CMU mscf because of rock solid career services and the curriculum as well. It should be a no brainer.

 

[DiamondLemon]

Vote for CMU because of their career service.

 

[Ranveer]

Could Some one also guide me !
I currently have admits from Gerogia tech, UCLA, Cornell and MIT and is wating to hear from Columbia also.

I am more inclined towards MIT because of excellent faculty and broad curriculum. But I am apprehensive about the short duration of the program and no internship option.

I am a fresher with no work experience. Though have quite a few internship experiences.
I don't want my program to be heavy in computation like CMU ...and will prefer more finance along with some computation !

What what you guys suggest?

 

[CavQuant]

Zz, why not call Columbia and the MSCF? I know that the MSCF will gladly help and since you're already in at Columbia you have nothing to lose by calling.

I haven't been admitted to Columbia, but so far I've been blown away by CMU. Everything about their program is transparent. In addition, I've noticed a strong sense of solidarity amongst current students and alums. They really want students to succeed.

The MSCF is doing a webinar today for admitted students on their career service if you have questions for Sondi.

 

[Susan Chen]

Personally speaking, I think the only thing that Columbia MFE wins over CMU MSCF is its brand name. However, that only thing does play a big role for a lot of people (including me). Really a hard decision lol.

 

[zzwang]

Zz, why not call Columbia and the MSCF? I know that the MSCF will gladly help and since you're already in at Columbia you have nothing to lose by calling.

I haven't been admitted to Columbia, but so far I've been blown away by CMU. Everything about their program is transparent. In addition, I've noticed a strong sense of solidarity amongst current students and alums. They really want students to succeed.

The MSCF is doing a webinar today for admitted students on their career service if you have questions for Sondi.

Sorry I forgot to add that I was already admitted by CMU. I've just edited by post. I am definitely on the same page as you are: every aspect about MSCF sounds awesome, but again like I mentioned no one from Columbia is giving a detailed review of the program.

Personally speaking, I think the only thing that Columbia MFE wins over CMU MSCF is its brand name. However, that only thing does play a big role for a lot of people (including me). Really a hard decision lol.

Lol thanks Susan. Really sad that I only have 5 days left to decide

 

[Airtree]

My friend was trapped in the same situation as yours. But he chose Columbia considering the brand name which he thought important and the location.

The CMU NY is much like an online course and lacks campus life plus the high tuition cost. Why should I spend so much money taking online courses? Curriculum in Columbia is more flexible and Columbia has strong alumni ties in various industries.

Since both of the two have the same quantnet rankings and are top programs，you are always right choosing either one of them. Career service is helpful when hunting jobs. But what's more important is personal ability. Don't rely too much on career service.

It's really a tough decision. Hope you find his thought helpful.

 

[zzwang]

My friend was trapped in the same situation as yours. But he chose Columbia considering the brand name which he thought important and the location.

The CMU NY is much like an online course and lacks campus life plus the high tuition cost. Why should I spend so much money taking online courses? Curriculum in Columbia is more flexible and Columbia has strong alumni ties in various industries.

Since both of the two have the same quantnet rankings and are top programs，you are always right choosing either one of them. Career service is helpful when hunting jobs. But what's more important is personal ability. Don't rely too much on career service.

It's really a tough decision. Hope you find his thought helpful.

Thanks for your reply. I am not to bothered by the video lecture as I've learnt a awful lot from videos on YouTube. I completely understand what you said.

I guess we both care about Columbia and CMU's reputation in China (based on the Chinese comma you wrote on the first line of 3rd paragraph). I've been told that there are so many people going to Columbia for masters that the school name is not that impressive anymore. There are many programs that are just too easy to get in (try searching Columbia statistics on Baidu). On the other hand, CMU is renounced in the CS category, which makes it actually quite famous in China. I know that Columbia is still a bigger name, but it might not be as big of a difference as you might think.

As for brand name in the States, I think it hardly matters. No one will care about where you did your masters degree after spending 3 years in GS MS etc.

 

[Airtree]

Thanks for your reply. I am not to bothered by the video lecture as I've learnt a awful lot from videos on YouTube. I completely understand what you said.

I guess we both care about Columbia and CMU's reputation in China (based on the Chinese comma you wrote on the first line of 3rd paragraph). I've been told that there are so many people going to Columbia for masters that the school name is not that impressive anymore. There are many programs that are just too easy to get in (try searching Columbia statistics on Baidu). On the other hand, CMU is renounced in the CS category, which makes it actually quite famous in China. I know that Columbia is still a bigger name, but it might not be as big of a difference as you might think.

As for brand name in the States, I think it hardly matters. No one will care about where you did your masters degree after spending 3 years in GS MS etc.

Haha, brand name is not the only thing to consider but indeed plays a big role. As I've mentioned, both of them are tie 1 programs, you have nothing to worry about choosing either one of them.

Why not call the two programs and speak out your concern? They will help you work it out and throw light on your decision. Then you just need to take the one most suitable for you.

 

[Aszx]

Hi,

I have recently talked to many friends who now work in HongKong or mainland China. Here are some things that I heard that might help you with your decision process:

1. They both have a strong alumni network and an excellent reputation in HongKong.

2. I understand that how much a Chinese student stresses the brand name of a school. But keep in mind that even if you plan to go back to mainland, people will not kiss your ass just because you are a master student from Columbia. They are rational and many HRs of mainland financial firms or big firms in other industries realize that there is a huge difference between the reputation of a program and the reputation of the undergraduate education of a school. In addition, the help that this "brand name" offers is quite limited. If you want to do quant finance, then you will be interacting with people who know that CMU is the real brand name. Meanwhile, you need a program with alumni connections that can directly help you break into this industry. In that sense, CMU and Columbia both have an extensive alumni network but no doubt that the CMU community is more closely bonded.

3. I think it is important to focus on the quality of the program rather than the "brand name". Think about questions like: is the curriculum of the program practical? how is the culture of the program?(to me, this is a very important point since the friends you make in a program will be your valuable life-long assets).

4. CMU has an advantage in trading while Columbia is strong in pricing.

5. You can enjoy an actual campus if you choose Columbia

Good luck and I hope this will help.

 

[zzwang]

Hi,

I have recently talked to many friends who now work in HongKong or mainland China. Here are some things that I heard that might help you with your decision process:

1. They both have a strong alumni network and an excellent reputation in HongKong.

2. I understand that how much a Chinese student stresses the brand name of a school. But keep in mind that even if you plan to go back to mainland, people will not kiss your ass just because you are a master student from Columbia. They are rational and many HRs of mainland financial firms or big firms in other industries realize that there is a huge difference between the reputation of a program and the reputation of the undergraduate education of a school. In addition, the help that this "brand name" offers is quite limited. If you want to do quant finance, then you will be interacting with people who know that CMU is the real brand name. Meanwhile, you need a program with alumni connections that can directly help you break into this industry. In that sense, CMU and Columbia both have an extensive alumni network but no doubt that the CMU community is more closely bonded.

3. I think it is important to focus on the quality of the program rather than the "brand name". Think about questions like: is the curriculum of the program practical? how is the culture of the program?(to me, this is a very important point since the friends you make in a program will be your valuable life-long assets).

4. CMU has an advantage in trading while Columbia is strong in pricing.

5. You can enjoy an actual campus if you choose Columbia

Good luck and I hope this will help.

Thanks! This is great advice. I actually agree with every point you said. For me one advantage of going to Columbia is potentially not needing to do an MBA after 10 years working in quant... I am not sure this will make perfect sense but it is still something to think about. From other perspectives, CMU seems to be the winner.

Also I think even if I go to Columbia I really would not have time to enjoy the campus consider the intensity of all MFE programs.

Thanks again!!!

 

[Michelle Kwok]

I talked with a senior of mine in Columbia. He graduated recently and he told me that Columbia's career service is not at all good and they just leave you in the ocean. You need to go and get your job . He used his personal contact to get his job it seems. And he told that few of his frnds who had admits from cmu and Columbia, and chose Columbia over cmu were actually regretting the decision.
And regarding the brand value, I dont think cmu is any less and recruiter doesnt care much abt the brand value it seems.
So it would be better to look for better career service, better curriculum and the net worth you would be getting from program.